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"McNames abound in the McDonald's vernacular," begins a 1995 Chicago Tribune article. "There aren't too many McMonikers that consumers can't identify."
By the 1990s, McDonald's, of course, was already a household name. Their iconic double-mansard roof restaurants were instantly recognizable, and dotted the nation's – nay, the world's – landscape. But iconic though they were, McDonald's still wasn't quite everywhere. Sure, maybe geographically they were – or close to it, anyway. But what about that McDonald's down the street, attached to the gas station? Or the one that used to be in your local Wal-Mart? Those McDonald's didn't exist yet; until the 1990s, McDonald's largely relied on standalone locations only.
Today's post is the story of how that changed.
Before we get going, I owe a big "McThanks" to my flickr comrade Coolcat4333 (who is also proprietor of the blog East Coast Retail) for the inspiration for this post. Coolcat recently posted several images of a strange-looking McDonald's bearing the name "McDonald's Express," along with some information on how that location is so tiny it doesn't even serve certain mainstay menu items such as Quarter Pounders and iced coffees. Naturally, I was intrigued, and decided to research a little further to see what I could find about this mysterious operating concept. Lo and behold, one of the first hits Google brought me was an October 1991 Los Angeles Times article entitled "Here's Your Hamburger, What's Your Hurry?":
The McDonald's restaurant taking shape near the Navy Exchange building at the 32nd Street Naval Station in San Diego will feature the fast-food chain's fabled golden arches, Chicken McNuggets, assorted burgers and french fries.
But, unlike other McDonald's, this small, prefabricated metal building will have no indoor seating.
Instead, patrons will be served at a drive-through and two walk-up windows--and they'll select their meals from a decidedly slimmed-down menu that won't include milkshakes, Quarter Pounders or a handful of other items sold at the thousands of McDonald's elsewhere in the country.
The 630-square-foot McDonald's Express, which was trucked in from Los Angeles on Monday, is a prototype of others that might be built elsewhere ... The prefabricated buildings are designed for locations where most customers are buying food for off-site consumption.
All of this was already golden – I knew I'd stumbled upon a subject for a new Lost History post – but the next paragraph was what excited me the most:
The building, which measures 14 feet by 45 feet, will become the seventh McDonald's Express in the country when it opens in early November. The others are in Akron, Ohio; Baton Rouge, La.; Atlanta and Memphis.
Yep, you read that correctly – Memphis was home to one of the very first McDonald's Express restaurants! So not only did McDonald's Express present me with a short-lived concept worth shining light on, it also had a local connection to the Mid-South, too. Could things get any better?! Well... what if I told you the Memphis McDonald's Express was still operating? :)
Obviously, we'll explore that later on in this post, but first, I want to continue spending some time on the history of this concept and how it, and the thinking it fostered within McDonald's corporate, resulted in a slew of other, longer-lasting/wider-reaching concepts that had ramifications not just for the golden arches but for the industry as a whole.
McDonald's Express logo sign. Courtesy eBay |
My research next took me to the Commercial Appeal archives, to try and dig up information on Memphis's McDonald's Express specifically. Readers don't have free access to any full articles from the archives, but the search option does give you the first several paragraphs of any given article's text. Sure enough, I found this story from July 31, 1991:
Fast Food - McDonald's Planning Express Site
McDonald's is erecting a modular drive-through, walk-up restaurant called McDonald's Express at Perkins and Quince to try to win back customers.
It is McDonald's first double drive-through in Tennessee. It is to open by September. The unit, which will be less than 900 square feet, will feature a limited menu.
It will have a few picnic tables in front of the store for folks who walk up to place orders and two drive-through bays for car-bound customers.
A November follow-up article further explained McDonald's reasoning for introducing McDonald's Express to the Memphis market:
McDonald's Joins Faster Fast-Food Race
You could call it a Little Mac, but McDonald's Corp. calls it McDonald's Express.
And the new drive-through-only restaurant is part of the fast-food giant's strategy for recapturing market share lost to others in the fast-growing niche.
The McDonald's Express at Perkins and Quince, the first in Tennessee for the company, opened in September, joining Back Yard Burger, Central Park, Rally's Hamburgers and soon-to-open Checkers in the double-drive-through business locally.
In other words, in Memphis the primary purpose of McDonald's Express was to try and compete with a horde of double-drive-thru newcomers whose new operating style was stealing business from existing McDonald's locations. Originating in the 1980s, the double-drive-thru concept allowed these chains to find success from lower start-up costs and lower operational costs due to the smaller size of the buildings and their prefabricated nature, savings which were then passed on to consumers with prices so low – "about 30 percent below that of the major chains" – that they began to make the "traditional" fast food joints look expensive.
This model was evidently very popular in the Mid-South; as noted in the above excerpt, Checkers (like McDonald's Express) joined the already-crowded area scene in 1991, and by 1994 ceded its seven local locations to competitor Rally's – who had ten locations locally – as part of a larger swap between the two chains involving seven total cities that was poised to "eliminate competition between the firms in various markets." (The two would wind up merging together into a singular entity just a few years later, in 1999.) McDonald's, it seems, opted to take the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" approach in making their decision to enter the fray.
It would seem later double-drive-thru/walk-up McDonald's locations were branded as "Mini Mac" instead of McDonald's Express. Image source unknown |
But while in Memphis the McDonald's Express concept may simply have been to up their game against the other double-drive-thru burger chains, elsewhere in the country the goal of McDonald's Express was to interject McDonald's into every facet of consumers' lives: per the book Food Justice, "an overall 'convenience strategy' designed, as McDonald's put it, to 'have a site wherever people live, work, shop, play, and gather' in order to 'intercept them at every turn.'"
So, you know, just regular old casual world domination... but it worked.
McDonald's quickly expanded its Express concept to Manhattan, introducing in 1994 "plans to blitz New York with its smaller Express restaurants to increase its presence." Entering these so-called secondary markets (secondary, that is, to areas where its full-size restaurants already operated), McDonald's claimed, would allow it to "fill in the seams of our operations" and gain better exposure in order to place the product closer to the consumer – a philosophy that, experts said, would result in increased sales. Not all McDonald's Express outlets were double-drive-thrus – clearly, this would be next to impossible in Manhattan! – but instead varied in format depending on the location, with some indeed featuring indoor seating, albeit limited in number compared to full-size restaurants. The main takeaway, the Manhattan McDonald's Express franchisee said, was that McDonald's Express allowed McDonald's "smaller square footage and more lease flexibility," which in turn generated higher returns for both the operator and the corporation.
The one constant of all McDonald's Express locations was the limited menu, mainly due to the space limitations. "Milkshakes won't be served, for example, because there's no room for the shake machines. And Quarter Pounders will have to go because there isn't enough room for the storage and preparation of the McDonald's mainstay," reads the 1991 LA Times article I referenced earlier. "Neither is there room for the machines that generate frozen yogurt and ice cream products. Instead, the Express will offer 'novelty ice cream products like Dove or Snickers bars.'" But initial concerns about customers' reactions to these menu exclusions, franchisees relayed, were surprisingly waved away. "People don't seem to mind. I've heard of no complaints about the menu. The customers already know that there is something different because of the different signage."
Stock photo of a McDonald's Express in Harlem. Courtesy Alamy |
Buoyed by seeming success, McDonald's Express continued expanding nationwide, "setting up shop anywhere and everywhere there is sufficient traffic." This policy allowed the chain to "squeeze into locations not ordinarily associated with fast food restaurants," including mall food courts, military bases, airports, hospitals, schools, office buildings, sports arenas – you name it. In 1998, there was even an effort to turn an abandoned bathroom in a Bronx park into a McDonald's Express. (That deal fell through, but the space did eventually become home to a Wendy's.)
From there, McDonald's sights only broadened. In the decade prior, McDonald's had experimented with both larger- and smaller-scale concepts, including the McStop ("a 30-acre site that will house not only one of its restaurants, but also a motel, gas station and convenience store") and the McSnack (an extremely tiny format designed for high-foot-traffic areas that was so small it didn't even serve hamburgers or fries). But with McDonald's Express, the company seemed to have found its sweet spot in size, and as such felt increasingly emboldened to introduce McDonald's Express outlets into even more nontraditional sites. Notably, in 1993 it was announced that "Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is test-marketing scaled-down versions of McDonald's restaurants in its stores in Fresno and Visalia, Calif." – a partnership that soon grew into McDonald's becoming, for a time, "the exclusive in-store restaurateur for Wal-Mart," with over 1,000 in-store units in the US and locations in every Wal-Mart store in Canada. McDonald's also opened multiple in-store units in several Home Depots, Meijers, and other retail chains.
Example of an older McDonald's inside Wal-Mart. Image source unknown |
"McDonald's in Wal-Mart" logo pin, dated 1994. McDonald's was in over 100 Wal-Marts by August 1995, and over 800 by November 1996. Courtesy eBay |
Likewise, McDonald's quickly jumped onto the gas station bandwagon, seeing dollar signs in the idea of pairing a McDonald's Express with a fueling center in order to create a one-stop shop. By late 1995, McDonald's had struck deals with an A-list of gas station/C-store operators – Chevron, Mobil, BP, Texaco, Shell, and finally Amoco – for regional alliances that would result in co-branded retail operations that, ideally, would increase profits for both parties. Projections estimated that McDonald's and its two largest partners, Amoco and Chevron, would develop about 300 fuel center/McDonald's Express combos a year.
Images of two "McDonald's Oil Alliance" locations, the Chevron in Dalhart, Texas, and the Amoco in Chicago, Illinois. Note how the architecture for both is virtually identical. Courtesy Kendrick Development |
Pins featuring the "McDonald's Express & Amoco" branding and the "McDonald's & Chevron" branding, respectively. I may or may not own these now :) Courtesy eBay |
To be sure, McDonald's wasn't necessarily the first to experiment with opening scaled-down restaurants in all of these nontraditional venues. In fact, McDonald's was reportedly driven by Taco Bell, owned in the 1990s by PepsiCo and which "led the way by selling its Mexican food from kiosks in shopping malls, tiny outlets in convenience stores and in school lunch programs." Years before McDonald's partnership with Amoco, Burger King teamed up with the gas station brand in 1991 to open what was hailed as "the first operation where motorists can pump gas while ordering food," and Wendy's led the pack before anybody by opening one of its restaurants inside a Kmart in 1985.
But, arguably, McDonald's was the one to take all of these experiments farther than the rest, and make the partnerships feel mainstream. After all, these days it's not unusual in the slightest to see a travel center featuring a gas station paired with well-known national fast food brands, or an in-store restaurant such as Subway inside Walmart or Starbucks inside, well, everything. But in the 90s, these concepts were entirely new to consumers – and McDonald's paved the way in making them commonplace, all evolving from its McDonald's Express concept. I guess you could say that McDonald's Express led to a new way of McLife.
Despite the optimism and high expectations concerning the growth and expansion of McDonald's Express, soon the glow began to wear off. Initially, McDonald's Express units were offered only "to franchisees of successful traditional units." In turn, "each Express restaurant becomes a satellite of an existing McDonald's under the same franchisee. Storage space, lacking in the smaller outlets, is provided at the full-size restaurant."
But as corporate pushed the concept further, they became more involved in its implementation, effectively pushing the franchisees aside – and worse, eating into their business. "Consider franchisee Wayne Kilburn," reads a November 1996 Forbes profile:
In 1980 he and his wife, Mary Jane, took over the sole McDonald's in Ridgecrest, Calif., a high-desert town of 26,000 about an hour west of Death Valley. Kilburn turned the restaurant into a huge profit machine. Then McDonald's came up with a market share plan for Ridgecrest. In September 1995 it put a company-owned restaurant inside the new Wal-Mart in town. Late last year McDonald's built another outlet inside the China Lake Naval Weapons Center. A third new company-owned store went up right outside the naval base.
"Basically, they killed me," says Kilburn. He claims his volume has dropped by 30%. Kilburn, who doubts that...his volume [will be restored] to its prior peaks, wants out and is now negotiating to sell his franchise back to the corporation. The two parties will probably end up reaching a deal.
A February 1997 article from Crain's Chicago Business – titled "McD-Amoco Venture is Low on Gas" – echoes the above sentiment, writing, "The loudest gripes are coming from McDonald's franchisees and Amoco and Chevron station operators who are in business near combination sites. They complain about sales cannibalization, saying the higher traffic at the combo stores eats sales from stand-alone restaurants or gas stations that are sometimes only blocks away."
Accordingly, McDonald's and its oil alliance partners began "putting the brakes on [their] ambitious plans to fuse fast food with fast gas." Originally projected to have "2,000 such restaurant/gas station combinations by 2000," at the time of publication in 1997 "only 117 combination stores are open (67 of them Amoco/McDonald's sites) and a handful have been or will be closed." In addition to the franchisee cannibalization complications and industry observer claims that "the satellite restaurants in combination C-store/gas stations are posting mixed results and risk diluting the powerful McDonald's brand," according to Crain's, "Corporate identities were at stake, too":
At the time the deals were inked, McDonald's Chairman and CEO Michael Quinlan lauded the concept as a "key driver of growth." What he didn't count on, however, are logistics and egos ... Much time and effort was spent debating whose sign should go on top.
"We're both very protective of our brands," explains Amoco's Edward Hoffman. "They have very strong opinions on how they want to present their brand, and so do we... It hasn't been an easy process."
Most signs at the sites now sit side-by-side. Maintenance costs are shared, but McDonald's -- with more stringent rules on cleanliness because it handles uncooked food -- usually takes control.
Coffee and dispensed-soda sales at the linked gas stations -- a traffic generator for Amoco and Chevron -- are not allowed when the McDonald's side is open. Cigarettes and beer are not sold near the McDonald's side of the complex, nor are they prominently displayed.
Another example of a co-branded Amoco/McDonald's location. Looks like the McDonald's sign won out in the battle for whose sign should go on top at this one! Image source unknown |
Eventually, the McDonald's Express branding faded away, making it a perfect Lost History subject for today's world. While McDonald's located in gas stations are still common nowadays, I'm not certain they have exclusive partnerships like they did with Chevron or Amoco any longer (and Amoco, of course, merged with BP in 1998, then proceeded to disappear as a brand for over a decade beginning in 2004). Assuming any Wal-Mart in-store McDonald's locations bore the "Express" designation in the first place, that tagline was likely simply dropped at some point along the way (regardless of whether or not the menu was full-sized or limited), similar to how the Walmart of today makes no distinction between its normal stores and its Supercenters. In fact, many Wal-Mart McDonald's have since closed, as have a very large number of individual McDonald's Express locations around the country. Crain's suggests this trend away from McDonald's Express began as early as 1997, a mere six years after the concept was first introduced:
A "mini-McDonald's" offering limited menu items did not work. Many of those sites have been shuttered, including one in south suburban New Lenox (part of a broader shutdown of more than 100 kiosks and other smaller venues announced last month).
"Customers want the full McDonald's experience," says a McDonald's spokeswoman.
Long-term survival of the brand or not, McDonald's Express is emblematic of the corporation's attitude of experimentation in the final decades of the twentieth century. Even more obscure than these "small fry" McDonald's concepts I've been discussing are short-lived full-blown diner-style restaurants that were tested in various cities, including Hearth Express, Golden Arch Café, and the McDiner. On the other end of the spectrum, consumers likely remember plenty of new menu items McDonald's toyed with in the 80s and 90s, including the Arch Deluxe, the McDLT, the McLean Deluxe, burritos and fajitas, and of course, the McPizza. That early McDonald's Express at the naval base in San Diego was even poised to serve hot dogs and chili, in another departure from the norm for the already-radical new concept.
The McPizza. Enough said. Courtesy MentalFloss |
For what it's worth, this era was also when McDonald's began to increasingly convert and occupy "unusual existing buildings," such as a former savings and loan building in Minnesota and a railroad caboose in New York. A lot of those locations – as well as other locations with otherwise normal exteriors, but uniquely-themed interiors – are endangered these days, as McDonald's pushes its franchisees to remodel all locations to a much blander design. Perhaps at least part of the reasoning behind this is that McDonald's doesn't feel it needs to experiment or be unique anymore; they've finally achieved that status discussed earlier where they are, in fact, intercepting consumers at every turn. Likewise, the persistent menu additions seem to have largely disappeared; by now, everyone knows what McDonald's is, what it serves, where to find it, and what to expect – is this complacency? I'll leave that up to you all to decide. For now, though, I'll link you to two flickr photostreams: those of RetailRyan and The Caldor Rainbow, who have been traveling to and documenting various unique McDonald's locations before they are inevitably remodeled beyond recognition.
As a final note before we move on to the next portion of this post, I wanted to briefly reference an article I came across in my research, published just last month in the UK:
McDonald's is launching new mini outlets with a reduced menu so it can serve meals faster.
The first has opened on Fleet Street in London, and the focus on takeaways means there is no in-store seating.
All customers in the so-called "McDonald’s to Go" stores must order via a touchscreen.
A more limited menu of favourites such as Big Macs, McNuggets and Big Flavour Wraps will mean staff can have more of them ready at peak times.
McDonald’s is trialling the new format ahead of rolling it out to other town and city centres where there is likely to be demand.
Sound familiar? The more things change... :)
So finally, after that lengthy written Lost History component, we arrive at the titular focus of this post: the still-operating, original McDonald's Express in Memphis. Located at 4657 Quince Road, it would stand to reason that this restaurant has been operational since 1991, the year it opened as part of the first group of seven McDonald's Express stores. I visited the restaurant just shy of a month ago, on August 30, 2019. My photos follow.
We begin with a handful of shots taken while driving past on the roadway, as we approached the restaurant. Given the size and layout of the lot, I had already anticipated that getting on-property photos of the front of the building would be a challenge. Unfortunately for us, the front of the building is, as ever, a majorly-important part, so I hope you'll forgive any objects that impede its visibility in my images.
Some closer shots of the front of the restaurant reveal that, aside from it being miniaturized and having a walk-up window instead of a front door, the facade looks amazingly similar to your regular mansard roof McDonald's of that era. This in turn sadly means that there is no actual "Express" branding on the building itself, but in all honesty even the mansard alone is becoming rare these days, so I won't complain about seeing it still intact here.
At the corner of the property – located at the intersection of Quince and S Perkins – stands the tall roadside sign, bearing the golden arches. But look closely – that's actually McDonald's Express branding on there! It was very exciting to be able to see this in person, with the knowledge that this is actually a remnant of a widespread past concept as opposed to just a strange one-off sign.
Because I wanted to get those drive-by pics of the property, we had to circle back around a bit before entering the lot, which resulted in me getting these two pics of nearby retail sights as well. On top is a shot of the shopping center located directly behind the McDonald's Express, featuring a Superlo Foods and a now-shuttered Fred's (the final Fred's in Memphis to retain vintage signage similar to what we saw at the Munford franchise location). Below that is a pic of the also now-shuttered Rite Aid located directly across the street from the McDonald's Express. It crossed my mind that, if the franchisee were interested, he or she could probably purchase the Rite Aid property, tear down the building, and construct a brand-new, full-size McDonald's on the lot, replacing the existing Express location. Hopefully, of course, that doesn't happen, but with the possibility out there I'm even more glad I visited when I did!
(And yes, speaking of Fred's... I'm sure you're all expecting a post from me on their recently-announced bankruptcy and decision to wind down operations. Your wish will be granted next month...)
Entering the property, since my main goal was to explore the place and take some pictures for y'all, naturally we parked instead of going through one of the drive-thru lanes. The parking lot is fairly small – although it does have a larger footprint than the building itself! – and is located off to the right side of the restaurant. This can be better seen in the aerial view of the property. Google Maps also provides some pretty good Street View coverage of this place, including historical imagery showing that the building retained the classic white and red paint scheme until circa 2017.
Nowadays, the building is beige in color, as seen behind this vintage McDonald's logo affixed to the building's right side wall (facing the parking lot). But that seems to have been the only change on the property in recent years, with everything up to and including the Express road sign and the mini-mansard roof left alone, so let's hope things stay that way!
To emulate the view as one travels down the drive-thru lane along this side of the building, I took these shots of the menu board and the patio forming the border between the building/drive-thrus and the parking lot. I didn't walk over to the other side for a similar view of the second drive-thru lane, so I've pulled an image of that from Google and included it below.
Courtesy Google Maps |
Per that Google user image of the other drive-thru lane, it would appear only this parking lot-facing side of the building has one of these vintage structure-affixed McDonald's logos. These always look a lot older than they really are (at least, in my opinion). Still, though, it's great to see this one still here. I just wish those shrubs in front of it weren't blocking it so much!
We ordered from the walk-up window, and while there I snapped this shot of the menu available for customers to browse and select from. For one thing, you can compare the presentation of this menu to the one shown on the considerably larger drive-thru board earlier in this post; but for another, you can see from either menu pic that, contrary to what I told y'all of McDonald's Express's origins, this restaurant does not appear to be serving a limited menu – note the presence of Quarter Pounders and shakes, among other things. Evidently, the restaurant's capabilities over the years have been increased, which of course is beneficial.
A fun fact I uncovered in my research is the discovery by a handful of folks that remaining McDonald's Express units, for several years past the "official" replacement of fried pies with baked pies on the menu, continued to serve fried pies, because the Express outlets did not have ovens in which to bake the pies in accordance with the new recipe. The menu at the Memphis McDonald's Express did indeed have pies on it, but alas, I wasn't hungry enough when we visited to order one (all I got was some fries). But several of those reports had been updated more recently to say the Express stores, too, finally switched over to the baked recipe, so I don't think I was missing anything.
Courtesy Google Maps |
Courtesy Google Maps |
Probably my favorite two shots of the whole post, right here :) Up first is as good of a wide view as I could get of the entire restaurant, and below that is a close-up of the iconic mansard roof with its yellow french fry lights and the McDonald's logotype. Again, it may not say "Express" directly on the building, but this is still cool in its own right, especially as more and more of these similar rooflines disappear!
The front of the property featured the traditional arrow-pointing "enter" and "exit" signs, as well as this more unique "Thank You" sign posted at the end of the left-side drive-thru lane. In hindsight, I should've gotten a closer shot of at least one of the enter/exit signs as well, but it is what it is. Who knows, maybe I'll be back again someday to remedy that :)
Here's the view from the "front porch" of the restaurant, as it were, over toward the roadside McDonald's Express sign at the corner of the property, followed by a closer shot of said sign. Note that the "Express" logo used here is different from the one seen in other applications earlier in this post, with sentence case letters and dashes running through the letters themselves (as opposed to running along the left side of the letters). Personally, I think I like this one better.
Some more close-ups of the McDonald's Express sign (actually just crops of previous images, but don't tell my readers that!). Unfortunately one side of the sign's face has been slightly damaged – but thankfully not so badly as to necessitate replacement (knock on wood!)...
These three successive pics show the scene as we drove away. They're kinda repetitive in nature, but I included all three of them anyway. Something I was curious about was the umbrellas over the patio tables... to me, those look like they could be fairly recent (for some reason the yellow/teal color scheme gives me this impression), but Street View shows them here as far back as the imagery goes (2007), and it's quite possible they had been here for years before that, too, perhaps even back to this restaurant's 1991 opening. Wish there was a way to find out for sure...
I tried to get a good shot of the front of the building as we drove past, but that's kinda hard to do from a car window with sun glare also interfering! Oh well, at least it turned out much better than it would have with my old phone (oh yeah – forgot to mention, I have a new phone now! I think these are the first photos from it that you're seeing on the blog; more will come in the future, of course).
One final interesting thing I wanted to note is the setup of the parking lot-facing drive-thru lane here. As you can see, the pick-up window is located at the front of the building, but the menu board where you place your order is located at the rear (as we saw earlier). That means that when customers use the drive-thru on this side, they have to reach all the way over from their driver's seat, across the passenger seat, in order to reach the window. Who on earth thought that was a good idea?!
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New McDonald's, as viewed from the existing McDonald's Express lot, 4-13-21. Courtesy Google Maps |
Talking about concepts McDonald's experimented with in the 1990's, I really feel like I should go to the last of the 20 or so uniquely themed McDonald's that used to grace the neighborhoods of Orlando. Up until last year there were still 4-5 of those themed locations, but the franchisee has been working hard to make their remaining locations conform to McDonald's recent "bland" remodels.
ReplyDeleteActually, scratch all of what I just said - Google is telling me now that Orlando's last unique McDonald's is "temporarily closed". I'm assuming it was closed in order to be bland-ified, if this is the case. There goes my plan! However, the "World's Largest McDonald's" (also in Orlando, and owned by the same franchisee) still serves McPizza, so I do have that as a semi-compromise. However, even the World's Largest McDonald's couldn't escape getting some form of a bland and boxy treatment.
As I say all that, this place is a nice throwback to the old days of fast food, when new concepts were all the rage and uniqueness is what made you stand apart from the competition. Not only were the 90's a great era for retail, they appear to have been the glory days of fast food too!
That's a shame all of those unique Orlando locations have remodeled. I guess it's to be expected, though. I don't know of any themed McDonald's near me, but I did document a cool one in Nashville one time (photos yet to go up, but they'll come to the blog eventually) and another in Greenville (which I'm hoping is still unchanged, so I can get more pictures next time I'm down that way!). When researching the McPizza, I did come across that fun fact about the "World's Largest McDonald's," although the articles suggested the pizza served there isn't actually the same as the old McPizza recipe (unlike the final locations that did sell that in OH and WV). And speaking of cool McDonald's in Orlando, that Kendrick Developments link in one of my photo captions also has some images of the Walt Disney World location that was very neat-looking with all the characters on the outside of the building. According to this article I just found, that arose from (what else!) a 1990s partnership with Disney, which also saw McDonald's food being sold within the park itself (!), but the in-park sales stopped in 2008 and the All-Star Resorts location was remodeled just like all the rest: https://www.yesterland.com/mcwdw.html
DeleteYep, the 90s definitely seem like they were an awesome time for both retail and restaurants! As cool as it would've been to experience it in person, I suppose it's just as nice to dig up details and look back on it now :P
I was hoping that last unique location could have hung in there longer. It was right down the road from the P01 Target, and had I known about it the day I photographed that store, I probably would have stopped there for lunch (rather than the more average mansard I tracked down that day). There still is that World's Largest McDonald's too (which I haven't been to before), which is unique in its own right. It's certainly not the same since that place also underwent its modernization remodel a few years ago, but then again, how many modern McDonald's are two stories?! Looking closer at the World's Largest McD's, it has a brick oven for its pizzas, something I don't think McDonald's was going around installing back in the 90's for the original McPizza! I actually remember those McDonald's french fry stands from a few vacations to Disney World back in the mid-2000's. I thought it was odd seeing McDonald's signs in the middle of Disney World, but now it all makes sense! Those Disney McDonald's had a menu that made the McDonald's Express menu look large though - French Fries and soda, nothing else!
DeleteI have some very, very vague memories of retail in the 90's, but like many of us, most of that experience I've had to learn about from the internet. It's still nice to think about what all these stores and restaurants were like back in the day...
I know I posted a comment here but it might have been lost...anyway, I have a menu from 2003 that had the pizza; unfortunately, it looks like it was part of the larger "Bistro Gourmet" menu, which was a second menu offered at the Orlando locations in addition to the traditional McDonald's items.
DeleteIt wasn't lost, I just was delayed in approving it to appear - sorry about that! It should show up below along with my reply :)
DeleteThat menu sounds cool!
Cool to see this place having a wrong-side drive through! There's a place in Port Angeles that does, and it's great when you have multiple people in the car, since there are never too many people in that line. (Frugal's, by the way, is a local mini-chain -- based in Port Angeles -- that's one of the only of this kind of drive-through-only places in the Northwest. I guess our weather isn't hospitable to that concept!)
ReplyDeleteHa, cool indeed, although I'm not sure I would be as excited about it as you are XD Definitely beneficial if you have multiple people in the car, like you say, but otherwise - seems a bit like a design flaw to me, since service could be sped up more if both lanes were equal! As for Frugal's, sounds tasty based on the sign in that Street View link (have zero idea how you get links to show up like that, btw - I'm jealous!)... and ha, I don't suppose drive-through-only places are too prevalent anywhere around the country, these days :(
DeleteHa! Maybe I only like it since I never go to a drive-through alone, so I always get to use the express lane! :) (And yes, they're pretty good -- their orange creamsicle shakes that were available when Street View drove by are particularly amazing!).
DeleteFor the links, Blogger comments accept normal HTML formatting, even if it doesn't look like it when you're writing it. It's basically the same as making a link in Flickr, or in a normal Blogger post in raw HTML mode. The preview button even works to check the link (I don't think it used to, or maybe I'm just thinking that since my blog doesn't have a comment preview feature for some reason...).
I'm with you there - in fact, I never go through the drive-thru at all when I'm alone! I prefer to go inside and order. Plus, I don't like to open my driver's-side window, since it's messed up :P
DeleteOh, cool! I had no idea... thanks!
Wow! This is definitely a treat. (History of McDonald's is one of my favorite things). A few things I wanted to point out based on the things I've read here:
ReplyDelete- The "script" McDonald's logo appeared on a few restaurants that weren't Express. I remember the Cherry Hill Mall McDonald's had it (though it wasn't Express, and it had a whole eat-in area complete with restrooms) before the store closed in the late 2000s as part of a larger remodel. You can see a picture of the exterior on Labelscar's coverage of the mall.
- This script also appeared on at least one highwayside McDonald's sign, as seen in Spring, Texas here: https://www.google.com/maps/@30.0729184,-95.4354267,3a,90y,66.31h,101.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sC-2rakQhBd6-H-l_nBKOQg!2e0!5s20071101T000000!7i3328!8i1664 and replaced around 2011.
- Funny you mention the drive-throughs...there used to be a Taco Bell in Bryan, Texas that had a backwards drive-through, though it closed a number of years ago.
- The "themed buildings" definitely was a trend in the 1990s but they had opened unique restaurants as early as the 1970s with the "Taj Mahal" McDonald's (five themed dining rooms) mentioned in Ray Kroc's autobiography, the "floating" McDonald's in Cermak, Illinois, and a McDonald's with some unique decor features in Mayfair Mall (light fixtures built out of antlers). All of these are gone or substantially altered.
- Back in the 1970s, McDonald's also had "McDonald's Town House" in urban storefront locations...though I'm pretty sure none of those exist anymore.
- Wal-Mart wasn't the first retailer to have McDonald's, in my independent research (for a book I plan to write eventually, but may release parts for free), Auchan had one as of 1988 (the Houston Auchan store), and by the end of the 1990s, McDonald's had found itself located at one time or another in over a dozen different retailers, from Sears to Jewel-Osco. They even built (in 2001) a handful of Blockbuster/McDonald's combo stores, similar to gas station stores.
- One of my memories of the themed locations was that a number of them had their own menu item or two. A few I can remember include snow cones inside a museum McDonald's restaurant, or Blue Bell ice cream offered in another remodeled restaurant. I can't remember any special burgers beyond the "Texas Homestyle Burger" (basically a Whataburger clone) that disappeared for years, though (and is now back!). An article for an upscale two-story McDonald's built in Houston (now demolished) in 1989 mentioned it had soups and pastries.
- The 1990s also brought "McDonald's Classic" in Michigan (maybe others), using the same "script" logo and are drive-through only.
I'm very glad you enjoyed the post (and that book of yours sounds super interesting; please keep me posted on its status)!
Delete- Yep, I've seen a handful of others online that were non-Express locations with the script logo as well. Had never seen it in the distinct golden-arches-with-red-rectangle-shape as in that Google Maps link, though - cool!
- Yeah, backwards drive-thrus are crazy.
- I haven't delved into McDonald's history as much as you have, so I'm not familiar with these themed locations. However, they sound awesome, as do the Town House locations!
- I knew McDonald's was in other retailers besides just Walmart, but it's amazing to hear just how wide and diverse its partnerships were. Sears? Blockbuster? Wild!
- Interesting! I think I saw some of the earlier mini locations had non-customary menu items as well, such as hot dogs, but nothing special or unique like your examples.
- Oh yeah, I've definitely seen that one online! I'm only aware of the one you mention in Michigan, although it would be really neat if there were indeed others.
I'm currently posting a McDonald's album to my flickr account, which you may also be interested in: https://www.flickr.com/photos/130271900@N03/albums/72157713351782818
Thanks again for your comment and all the great info!
I suppose I'm not the only one with some Houston McDonald's oddities stories!
Delete- I know we had at least one McDonald's Express here in Houston in the early 1990s (not counting mall locations and stuff like that). It was in front of the Kroger on Hammerly Blvd. & Gessner Road. The store was eventually converted into a regular McDonald's, albeit a smaller one. The location still has a rather odd street sign. Modern view: https://goo.gl/maps/g4Kodqcq8jfvr7FT6
The Kroger there is a very interesting one. It's in a former Safeway/AppleTree. Although it's been a Kroger for over 25 years, it still has somewhat of a Safeway layout to it. The nearby Kroger of the Villages in Hedwig Village near Memorial City Mall has a similar history and layout, but it even still has AppleTree era department signage on the outside of the store that is almost 30 years old at this point. It's really quite remarkable. Kroger of the Villages: https://goo.gl/maps/RC68hAjH6oTJk9DB6
- One of Houston's most famous McDonald's locations is the one out in front of the University of Houston Main Campus near downtown Houston and also near the very busy Interstate 45 which runs north-south through the entire Houston area. As you can imagine, this McDonald's serving a university with over 30,000 students, downtown visitors (though there are McDonald's closer to downtown), and Interstate travelers sees a lot of traffic. This McDonald's is now a common 'Eyebrow' location, but it was a location that very much used the 'Script' design for many years in the 1990s and 2000s. It wasn't an Express location either, it was and is a regular McDonald's. Not only did the storefront have the Script logo, but it had a very oddly street designed sign with the script logo. The McDonald's also had a very tall sign with the regular logo that was visible to Interstate travelers. Fortunately, Google Maps has many archived Street View views of this store with the script design before it got Eyebrowed. Here's one from 2007: https://goo.gl/maps/rq1M66Ynmz4t7oEeA
- There is a Houston McDonald's (technically in South Houston, but the City of South Houston is such a blip on the map) which has a kind of retro sign with the 'Script' logo. While the sign and 'Script' logo still exist, the restaurant itself was Eyebrowed many years ago. It used to look kind of retro as well. Here is a 2007 Street View of it: https://goo.gl/maps/3pMT68TtSJ7SDRA7A
And here is a modern view: https://goo.gl/maps/QoJnp8KEV45ArCWPA
- As far as McDonald's locations in Sears goes, I've heard that the former Baybrook Mall Sears in the Houston area once had McDonald's in it in around 1990. I cannot personally confirm that because Baybrook Mall is on the opposite side of Houston from me so I didn't visit that mall very often in those days. I do remember that Sears used to sell McDonald's branded children's clothes (McKids?). I think Wal-Mart sold that brand as well. This may all be related to the locations in stores.
That said, McDonald's was most certainly in places like Home Depot. I've never seen a Home Depot McDonald's, but I have heard about them. Here is a link to an article about that: https://csnews.com/home-depot-expands-fast-food
- As Pseudo3D mentioned, there was a McDonald's in the Houston Beltway 8 Auchan Hypermarket food court that opened in around 1988 and closed in around 2003. That Auchan also had a Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, and a few other things. Auchan is a French discount store operator who tried the Houston market with a discount store that was like twice the size of a Walmart Supercenter. After Auchan closed, the Beltway 8 store was subdivided and the Food Town supermarket took over the part with the food court. The food court is still there, but I don't know if they still have food vendors of if it's just cell phone stores and stuff like that. Link: https://goo.gl/maps/po1xFGQU7HS8RgG87
Oh, I forgot to mention something which is probably worth mentioning. I figure I'll go ahead and make a second reply for that. When Kroger first started rolling out the Kroger Signature stores here in Houston in around 1993, some of the Kroger Signature (maybe all of the early ones) had a mini food court in them with PepsiCo/Yum Brands Express restaurants. There was Taco Bell Express, Pizza Hut Express, and maybe KFC Express as well. I don't know if there were any others. These Express locations were basically located where the Deli counter is now.
DeleteThose Pepsico/Yum Brands restaurants didn't stay in the Kroger Signature stores around here for very long. I suspect they were gone within the first year or maybe even half year.
One of the locations which had these Pepsico/Yum Brands Express locations was the Jones Rd. & West Rd. Kroger Signature store which is still around and is still a nice place to shop even if there isn't a whole lot special about it now. It's in a very busy intersection for supermarkets though and the competition is fierce. One corner of the intersection has a very busy HEB (Randall's used to be in that location), another has Aldi, and yet another has a Food Town which used to be a Food Lion and it still has many Food Lion decor items up in the store from the early 1990s. Anyway, here's a modern link to the Kroger. Do skip the generic photos that Kroger posts to Google that are not of this store. It's very annoying that Kroger does that. Link: https://goo.gl/maps/KuYfM7AcHRE5LwD57
Ha, I guess not! I’ll try to tackle these in the bullet list order…
Delete- Cool to hear about that McDonald’s Express. It does indeed look tiny as a converted full-service location. And yep, that sign isn’t your typical one for sure. The Kroger with the surviving exterior signage is interesting, too. Relics like that are always fun.
- That’s pretty awesome about that lightning script location! That has got to be the most prominent I’ve ever seen that logo used on a McDonald’s location. I’d still love to learn the history behind it, since everything online says it was never a corporate sanctioned logo, and should never have been used. There’s definitely an intriguing story there, I’m sure of it.
Anyway, as for this specific location (as well as the one below), it’s great that Google Maps has street view imagery to preserve the past look. And the top of that road sign looks like it even spun as well. How cool is that!
- Definitely glad to see the lightning script road sign remaining on this one! Do you know if that restaurant was actually vintage, or just made to look that way?
- The Sears, Home Depot, and Auchan in-store McDonald’s discussions are all very interesting, in that it’s amazing to learn of how wide of a reach McDonald’s had in placing locations inside retail stores. Even with what I wrote in the post about “intercepting the consumer at every turn,” I had no idea its empire ever grew that large! Case in point: the McKids clothing line. That’s one of the craziest things I’ve ever heard of! Never heard of it before your comment today…
- In response to your second comment about the Kroger Signature stores with the food courts: that’s something else I hadn’t heard about. Very interesting. Definitely seems like a lot of experiments with putting fast food joints inside regular retail stores were going on around that time period. This was before my time, but it’s still great to hear about it and see where all it ultimately led.
Thanks for the link to those Kroger pictures as well. Looks like a nice store, although I never have been a really big fan of that package in stores with low ceilings. The low ceilings make me wonder if that store had the neon décor originally. And I agree, it is totally annoying how Kroger includes those generic photos at each and every one of their stores on Google Maps…
- I took another look at the Google Map of the McDonald's in front of the University of Houston Main Campus. You're right that it's great that Google has so many Streetview images of these McDonald's. That particular location is a very busy spot in Houston so it's been captured by Google many times. I looked at the 2013 image. At that point, the restaurant was knocked down and the new Eyebrow McD's was going up, but the old street sign was still up with a message saying "Thanks for 22 years." Well, 2013-22 = 1991. Thus, we now know when that 'Script' McDonald's opened up. 1991 sounds about right to me though. Link: https://goo.gl/maps/4Gpc2us1Mb1gLZXd7
DeleteYou know, you might be right that the old sign was a spinning sign. I drove by that McD's many times in the past when it was a 'Script' McD's, but I don't remember ever seeing it spin. That said, in the different Streetview images over the years before it was taken down, the sign appears to be at slightly different angles in different images. So, yeah, maybe it did spin, but maybe they didn't use that feature very often.
- As for the South Houston McDonald's, the one which still has the vintage looking 'script' sign, I'm not totally sure if that was a vintage restaurant or just a vintage themed one because I never actually ate there. If I had to guess, I would say that it was just a vintage themed restaurant that probably opened in the early 1990s when there were some strange McDonald's opening up in town like the two-story one that Pseudo3D mentioned.
- McKids is really crazy, isn't it? Of course, McDonald's was allowed to market more directly to children back in those days. Now, there is a lot of negative publicity when McDonald's advertises towards children. Perhaps because of that and perhaps because McDonald's emphasized their playgrounds more back then than they do now, the McDonald's characters like the Hamburglar and Mayor McCheese were better known to children of the time. McDonald's has had to de-emphasize the marketing of their playgrounds in recent years because adult customers didn't want to eat at a place perceived to be full of screaming children.
I looked up McKids on the Internet and it seems to be just what I remembered it to be. It was first a clothing line at Sears and then Wal-Mart got the line later on. According to the McKids Wikipedia page, Sears even opened some standalone McKids stores. I don't remember that so we probably didn't have those standalone stores around here, but maybe I purposefully tried to forget those. There are some McKids Sears commercials on YouTube and they are just what I remembered them being back 30 years ago. I suppose if you went to Wishbook Web or some other site with old Sears catalogs, you could probably see the whole line being modeled.
- Another retailer we had with McDonald's in it here in Houston was the electronics store Incredible Universe. Incredible Universe was Tandy/Radio Shack's attempt at taking on Best Buy and Circuit City. Their idea was to make a much bigger store than Best Buy and make it have a Disney-like entertainment experience. The in-store McDonald's was part of that. I went to the grand opening special in 1995 and I think the liquidation going out of business sale started the week after. Ok, maybe not literally, but the store did not last long at all. Here is Houston Historic Retail blog's entry about Incredible Universe: https://houstonhistoricretail.com/electronics/incredible-universe/
- The Jones Rd. & West Rd. Kroger Signature did indeed have a neon decor in earlier times. It looked spectacular! Although that store does have a drop ceiling, I wouldn't say that it's low in most parts of the store like a vintage Kmart or something. I actually prefer the drop ceiling because it gives the store a cleaner, brighter, more finished look.
- Oh nice, I didn’t catch that about the 22 years in that capture! Good to know. I did see the different angles which is what gave me the impression it spun. Could be some other explanation for that too, though.
Delete- Yeah, you’re probably right about that one simply being vintage-themed. I can’t imagine there are (m)any actually classic locations still surviving anymore, sadly.
- Yep, I think you’re absolutely right about the characters. They don’t even seem to use Ronald anymore, and all the others are just gone entirely. It’s kind of a shame, but also somewhat understandable, I guess. I always was under the impression that the characters went away due to the push for healthier eating habits for children, including removing cheeseburgers and adding apple slices to the Happy Meal menu. The adult dislike of playplaces is a reasoning I hadn’t heard before, but also very plausible. I also read that Happy Meal toys are designed to be less like collectible series these days, so that they don’t encourage kids to come back so many times and keep eating fast food. (In the past couple weeks I scoured the internet to try and complete two nearly-done fast food toy collections I held onto from my childhood, so I’ve been down that rabbit hole a lot recently :P And it was a success!)
Anyway, yeah, that’s just insane about McKids!! Looks like that probably would’ve been a fun store to visit. It would be great to find a list of locations to try and track down what has happened to them in the time since McKids. That Wiki article you mention says there were 47 in total, which is astonishing to think so many were built in such a short time period.
- I think I’ve heard of Incredible Universe, but I’ll have to go and read that post to refresh myself. Thanks for the link.
- Ah, cool! I miss the neon décor. I’m aware of only one store that still has it (photos on my flickr page, from Blytheville, AR), but of course there might be a couple more hiding out that I haven’t discovered. The low ceiling I was referring to was just how it interferes with the full basket signs being able to be installed. The formerly neon stores near me all have that same issue, which I find diminishes the look of the package. But generally speaking, I do like drop ceilings.
I just had a moment of McDonald's nostalgia. Now that I think about it, I do remember that McDonald's used the 'lightning script' logo on their bags and cups for a few years in the 1990s after they discontinued their famous bags with the rows of Ms on them that they used in the 1980s. This was a nationwide thing I think so that logo was certainly quite prominent at McDonald's in the 1990s even if it was somewhat rare to see it on the stores themselves. As we can see, however, it wasn't unheard of to see it on McDonald's locations as well.
DeleteI did a little research and I came across a website that has a history of McDonald's packaging. This seems congruent with my memory: https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-bags-through-history-2016-1
One thing I do remember from the 1990s is that some of the local locations used to sell what they called "buckets of fries." This is when they would take a large drink cup (which was made of paper back then and was probably a bit smaller than the modern large drink at McD's) and fill it up with french fries. It probably wasn't healthy for one person to eat the whole thing, but I suppose it wasn't a bad idea to share a bucket of fries as part of a family meal or something. I have not seen a McDonald's offer that since around 1997 or so. Maybe it's still offered as one of those 'off-the-menu' items, but I kind of doubt it.
Yes, I think that McDonald's has cut their advertising towards children due to the criticism they receive about nutrition. It could also be done to simplify their marketing campaigns. I didn't know that McDonald's was moving away from toys released in a series, but I'm not surprised about that. In addition to the health concerns, I've read that in other countries, they want McDonald's to eliminate the toys because they feel it's contributing to excess amounts of plastic ending up in the landfills.
I remember reading a number of years ago, maybe around 2005, that McDonald's was losing sales to competitors like Wendy's and Starbucks. One of the reasons stated for this was that Wendy's and Starbucks had more 'adult-like' dining room experiences. Prior to the Eyebrows, many McDonald's locations made their playgrounds the most visible part of their buildings. Some dining rooms were themed around McDonaldland characters or other child-centered things. Sometimes the playgrounds weren't even clearly separated from the dining rooms. So, yeah, the end result was to hide the playground somewhat and give the dining room a more mature look. I think this was deemed a success and that's why the Eyebrow was pushed as hard as it was and is. Burger King reformed their dining rooms in a similar manner and I'm sure their research was saying similar things.
As far as McDonald's collectibles go, although I ate McDonald's as a child and Happy Meals were certainly around, I don't think I ever got Happy Meals so I really can't tell you much about their toys. One thing McDonald's used to do was to sell collectable items, usually centered around movies and such, that would sometimes appeal to both adults and children. One popular thing they would sell were collectable cups and mugs. McDonald's launched a campaign in around 1987 where they sold a series of collectable Garfield the Cat cartoon mugs. I remember this becoming a bit of a mini fad nationally. People were rushing to McDonald's to get the mugs. It drew in my family and we got the mugs. Here's a commercial for the Garfield mugs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmhqB79MCcI
Thanks for that link, it was fun to look through all the past packaging iterations! It’s nice to see proof that the lightning script logo was not, in fact, as hidden from view as the corporate style guide seemed to imply it should have been. With all the evidence pointing to its use, I’m still not really sure why corporate ever considered the logo to be such a threat. I actually kinda like it myself. It’s occurred to me that I should link that style guide page in case you haven’t seen it before: https://i.redd.it/eaula1maciw21.jpg
DeleteHa, those “buckets of fries” sound exactly like something that would get a lot of negative attention today! Conceptually though, I bet it was a cheaper way to get fries for the whole family, like you said.
I hadn’t thought about the marketing aspect of it being simplified, but I can see that factoring into their reasoning. Definitely the plastic as well (something else I hadn’t thought of). There are so many things that play into these decisions. It’s interesting to speculate and hear confirmation on some.
I believe that. I’m sure research like that is also what influenced their push to roll out McCafe so aggressively. I honestly can’t say for sure whether or not I’ve eaten in an early Eyebrow location. The one in town was a more recent remodel, compared to the Eyebrow’s usage era. Its interior design was customized and a little more modern feeling. The newest remodels have dropped the eyebrow entirely and I’m not a fan of the interior décor that was installed in the one I’ve been to. Maybe others are better.
Cool! I’ve actually seen those mugs from time to time at Goodwill. I don’t have any Garfield ones, but I do have a Peanuts one that likely also came from a McDonald’s promotion. Things like that that unite the family in a hunt for an item, be it at a retailer or a restaurant, seem only to be in the past these days. That’s kinda unfortunate, in my opinion. I think it could be a good idea all around and get good publicity and results, but maybe there’s something I’m missing that makes such promotions undesirable.
Yeah, I'm not sure what is going on with that McDonald's style guide. Clearly they allowed the use of that 'lightning script' logo at one point in time because there's no way all those restaurants and bags could have used that logo if the corporation was against it. Maybe the script logo was okay to use at one time, but maybe McDonald's didn't want it used in 1999? Maybe McDonald's was okay with using it on corporate projects, but they didn't want franchisees using it and that's why it was in that guide?
DeleteHere are two commercials which use the 'lightning script' logo on the bags. There's no way these commercials would have been approved if McDonald's was against the logo:
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgK0SF9RFSQ
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxzLTHjJMXI
Here is a McDonald's bag on Flickr that is promoting the 1992 Olympics. In this case, the 'lightning script' is used to say something other than McDonald's: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mankatt/8479763829
There is a large supermarket chain in Australia named Coles. They've been running a promotion in recent times where they give customers mini toy models of supermarket products. They call it Little Shop and it has helped their sales. It seems popular with both children and adults. OTOH, it has also made some Australians mad because they claim it's contributing to plastic waste. Here's a short video clip about the situation from an Australian news station:
https://www.abc.net.au/btn/classroom/supermarket-collectable-controversy/11391642
You might be surprised to hear the Woolworths name in that clip. Australia does have a grocery chain called Woolworths, but it's not related to the Woolworth we had. Kmart Australia was affiliated with the US Kmart at one time, but not anymore. Kmart Australia is very successful in modern times and they've even started opening locations in the US, in Washington state specifically, called Anko. Anko is their house brand name in Australia. If you know any Kmart fans in the Pacific NW, you might want to let them know about Anko.
You're right that McCafe was related to the thought process that led to the Eyebrow. I'm sure McD's thought about how coffee drinkers would want a restaurant configured. People laughed at McD's when they took on Starbucks, but they've done a good job converting many coffee drinkers who probably wouldn't have taken McD's seriously before.
When McDonald's rolled out the Eyebrow concept, most of our stores were converted to the Eyebrow concept in the first couple of years. Because so many were converted early, I have not seen many conversions in recent years. Thus, I didn't realize that McDonald's stopped using the Eyebrow until you mentioned it. I thought of one location in this area which was converted about a year ago and it indeed does not have the Eyebrow: https://goo.gl/maps/BWPyGjeqLtSCXtbWA
That store is architecturally similar to the Eyebrow though. I looked at the Google images of the inside of it and it's pretty similar to the Eyebrow locations that opened about a decade ago. Maybe the pictures don't show some small differences though so I would probably have to visit it to know what it's like.
You may have noticed that the McDonald's above is in a Kroger shopping center. I was going to say that the Kroger is a typical Kroger Signature store from the early 2000s and isn't anything worth talking about, but then I noticed that the store is no longer a Signature location! Take a look at this 2019 photo of it: https://goo.gl/maps/yGLsZwXPk51QmYU39
Then this 2018 image of it: https://goo.gl/maps/oyRtzdYYXNw2sSvD6
And then this 2017 image: https://goo.gl/maps/4dSojYWTLuZs3E5c7
It seems that around 2018, it lost the Signature status. In 2019, it lost the in-store bank. I'm not sure if those are related. Some non-Signature stores in town do have banks though so they can't completely be related.
That’s about the only reasonable explanation I can come up with as well, that they were fine with it for a large period of time throughout the 90s but then suddenly reversed course in time for that 1999 style guide. Clearly it was used in wider applications than I was even aware of at first, so it’s definitely more than just a one-off sweatshirt design like that style guide implied. That’s cool to see the font used for the Olympic text on that bag, too.
DeleteThe Little Shop toys seem like a cool idea. If the packaging is recyclable like they say it is, then I don’t see a problem per se. At that point it becomes the consumer who is responsible for not disposing of the plastic properly, rather than the supermarket for ever giving away the toys in the first place.
Yeah, Australia is a really crazy place retail-wise, isn’t it? I’m familiar with the Woolworths, Kmart, etc. situation over there. In fact, last month they announced that all of the Target stores in Australia – owned by the same folks who run Kmart down under – will either be closed or converted to Kmart, which is the stronger brand. Kmart, better than Target?! That’d be hearsay in the US :P
I’ve heard of Anko as well, and was wondering how successful that experiment has been. I do have a friend up that way, who runs the Northwest Retail Blog (linked in my sidebar). I can mention it to him.
I agree about the McCafe efforts. As for that location you linked, the interior (from what is posted on Google) looks nice enough, if rather plain. (I notice that one got rid of its Playplace too, like we discussed.) The décor I was referring to that looks… not great, can be seen at this location near me: https://www.flickr.com/photos/130271900@N03/albums/72157662288572884
Interesting to see that Kroger Signature store downgraded! You must be right about the bank playing a role in that, even if that’s not the full story based on those other non-Signature stores that still have banks in them.
Wow, that McDonald's near you is really terrible. All that white tile on the walls makes it look like a bathtub stall or something. The black and white color scheme is terribly uninviting. The folding chairs are quite strange, but it seems that was a temporary setup. I do like the flooring tile at that location, but that's about it.
DeleteI also notice that the drink bar at your McDonald's is rather limited like many of ours here. Unlike almost every other fast food restaurant around here, some McDonald's do not have root beer at their drink bar. Some do, but many do not.
While the furniture at our McDonald's is usually somewhat industrial looking (though it beats folding chairs), the decor itself is some mix of industrial and inviting. It may not be the prettiest thing, but it's not offensive either.
That recently renovated McDonald's in question actually does still have a PlayPlace, but it's not nearly as noticeable as it used to be. It's somewhat hidden now. You can see the sign for it on the side: https://goo.gl/maps/u7L3X3GEqATLh8B99
It is not nearly as noticeable as it was before though where it looked like the PlayPlace took up the majority of the restaurant: https://goo.gl/maps/RnfF7ZAkpkhH2FYA9
I could see some retail bloggers getting very excited if our grocers implemented Little Shop! I think the argument of the Australians who are against it is that the Coles shoppers really won't get much enjoyment out of the collectables before they get thrown away. I think it's part of the larger idea of curbing the so-called "throw-away society". The reality is that those people are probably right, but Little Shop did increase sales so I can see why Coles and others would be reluctant to eliminate the promotions.
Yep, you're right about the Kmart and Target situation over in Australia. What happened there is unthinkable over here! It seems that Australian retailers like to keep vintage logos. Kmart Australia still uses a logo similar to the classic Kmart US logo from before 1990. Burger King operates in Australia, but they use the name Hungry Jack's instead. Hungry Jack's uses the classic Burger King logo that was in use up until the mid-1990s or so: https://slappedham.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/921983-green-fields-hungry-jack-039-s.jpg
I must say that Hungry Jack's is one bizarre looking building. It looks like a mashup between a US Burger King, a McDonald's, a Starbucks, and maybe a couple of other things. These industrial designs that almost all the retailers are using now has just become too cookie-cutter.
It really is quite hard to explain these Kroger Signature stores. Here's an article from the Houston Chronicle, the local major paper in town, back in 2009 when Kroger was starting to put their Marketplace stores in this area. In this article, there is a statement from Kroger about the differences between a regular Kroger, a Kroger Signature store, and a Kroger Marketplace store. Of course, the difference may not be designated in most of the country, but Kroger seems to do it here in Texas: https://www.chron.com/business/article/New-Kroger-offers-furniture-jewelry-as-well-as-1609029.php
The confusing thing for some shoppers is that Albertsons/Safeway/Randalls/Tom Thumb uses the Signature Select name for their private label brand. That might be confusing for some shoppers who associate "Signature" with Kroger and vice versa. It's probably more of a problem in Dallas where Albertsons and Tom Thumb (Randall's sister brand used in Dallas) has greater marketshare than in Houston. The greater marketshare is probably explained by HEB having a much smaller presence in the Dallas area than in Houston, but Dallas is probably going to be HEB's next expansion target.
Yep, I agree. It’s not the only one that looks like that, either. I’ve seen that in many other people’s photos across the country. Really not McDonald’s best look.
DeleteYeah, McDonald’s tends to have a somewhat limited selection. Strange, when you think of all the other restaurants that have the Coke Freestyle machines.
Yep. A lot of other designs for McDonald’s are much better. I was really disappointed not only in this design in general, but also its selection for this location in particular. At least you’re right about the folding chairs likely only having been temporary, but that’s not much of a consolation prize :P
Oh, okay! I totally missed that. I even tried zooming in through the windows, but it looked to me like the dining room just takes up the whole space where the PlayPlace used to be. Cool that it’s still there then, even if its size is significantly diminished.
Ha, don’t give our stores ideas, I don’t need anything else to collect XD Your reasoning there sounds logical.
Agreed! And yep, that’s fun about the classic logos as well. I was aware of Kmart (and Target), but not of Hungry Jack’s – pretty cool! And yes, that building design is wild!
Oh, I also wanted to say that I mentioned Anko to my friend in Washington, but another person in the chat room noted that the news articles about the Australian Target closures/conversions also say that all the US Anko stores are being closed, too. So I guess that experiment must not have gone too well.
Thanks for that link… in the years since that was written, I believe Marketplace stores got rid of the furniture departments, and just this year Kroger has also closed all of its Fred Meyer Jewelry stores. So I guess now there’s even less separating the Marketplaces from the Signature stores, haha! Marketplaces do likely have a larger selection of health and beauty stuff, plus the small aisles of toys and home décor, etc., but to me the biggest difference is going to be apparel. Otherwise it’s just a really big Kroger with a larger selection of nonfoods, but even then regular Krogers still carry most of those same categories, just more limited selections of them.
That could be confusing indeed. Here in the Mid-South there’s no problem, not only because we don’t have Signature stores, but also because Kroger is our only true grocery store chain :P
When I think about the modern decor of McDonald's, I think about how different a modern Whataburger looks compared to a modern McDonald's. I'm not sure if you have them in your part of the world. While Whataburger was recently sold to a company in Chicago I do believe, they have always been based in Texas. They do have locations in other states though. Whataburger is extremely popular in Texas and is a formidable competition for McDonald's.
DeleteLike McDonald's, Whataburger has done some tear down and rebuilds in the last few years. Their newer stores seem to have a pretty common design now. For one, the exterior is not industrial looking like so many other fast food joints. The interior is also more like a 1980s McDonald's, but with some modern touches like a soothing shade of orange paint on the walls and orange neon-like accent lighting around the dining room. Whataburger has no trouble packing in big crowds in these dining rooms so it goes to show that these industrial looks aren't necessary for a successful modern fast food interior. Here's a link to a Whataburger near me which has been rebuilt in the last 5 or so years: https://goo.gl/maps/WfgaDhbwZygpkTHy9
Of course, Whataburger does not have a playground at all so they don't have to worry so much about screaming kids. Also, their newer locations like the one above have an odd ordering desk. Instead of facing the dining room and the front of the store like most fast food restaurants and older Whataburgers, the order desk faces the side parking lot. Thus, you're face to face with the clerk as soon as you walk in.
Coke Freestyle machines are a bit of a good and a bad thing. The amount of options they offer are theoretically a good thing, but those drink cartridges in the machine are small and so they're often out of many flavors. In my experience at places like Wendy's and Jack in the Box who have Freestyle machines, they often have less options than normal drink bars just because so many flavors are out. On top of that, the flavor formulations are different for Freestyle machines than they are otherwise so some drinks taste a bit strange from a Freestyle machine.
Around here, the local Burger King and Whataburgers have a full selection of Coca-Cola products at their drink bars. At McDonald's, well, it's mixed. Many locations don't even have Barq's Root Beer. The other chains always have that.
I read about Target Australia, but I didn't hear that Anko stores in the US are closing. That's too bad. I suppose this is probably a bad time to be experimenting with stores in the US. I know that Washington state was especially hard hit early on with the virus so maybe that hurt their performance.
Yes, the furniture departments at Marketplace stores didn't last long here. I didn't hear about the jewelry departments closing, but that's not a surprise. They'll still have clothing and housewares. The housewares may sell, but I rarely see people shopping for clothes at Kroger Marketplace stores. I did notice that Marketplace stores sell CD-Rs. I don't think Signature stores do, but that's probably not an item most people are looking for at Kroger here in the year 2020, lol.
Now that I think about it, part of the reason why the Signature line exists is to compete against Randall's Flagship stores. Back when Randall's was thriving, it was considered a real luxury to have a Flagship store as one's local Randall's. Although Randall's is now just a small player in Houston, perhaps that mentality of having a "better than normal" Kroger and Randall's still exists. Here's a Houston area Randall's Flagship store to take a look at if you wish: https://goo.gl/maps/4SnRRAfWhrY32nJA8
We're lucky to have as much grocery competition here in Houston as we have. Many places only have one major grocer and I suppose that describes where you live. I suppose you get what Kroger is going to give you and that's that.
We don’t have Whataburger in the Mid-South, but I did eat at one location twice earlier this year, before the pandemic, in the Jackson, MS, area. The food was fantastic on the first visit, but not as great on the second. I agree with you that the interior was very much of a timewarp, and I think that’s coming from a non-remodeled location, to boot. The modern one you linked to has a lot of similarities, so it’s interesting to see the design stay relatively intact even in newer remodels. The order station setup sounds odd as well.
DeleteFair enough concerning the Freestyle machines. I really only drink Sprite when out anyway, so I don’t usually encounter any problems finding that :) I’m not certain that any chains near me carry root beer, but then again I’ve never paid close enough attention to say for sure.
I agree. You’re probably right about it being a bad time to try out new retail here though, and you make a good point about Washington having been an early hotspot as well.
What’s interesting to me is that I thought the same thing about Kroger’s apparel departments not selling that well, but then they went and introduced their own in-house apparel brand, Dip. Dip clothes actually are nice – I’ve bought some myself – but I still find it hard to shake the odd feeling of buying clothes from a grocer, even more so when it’s their own store brand; I have to imagine others feel the same way, but by the same token there must be some success involved, or else Kroger wouldn’t be going that route.
As for the CD-Rs, I’ve never noticed those at my Kroger Marketplace. That may just be another thing I haven’t looked for though, but ours doesn’t have an electronics section or anything, so I’m not sure where those would be stocked. And that sounds like a very good logic pattern behind why Kroger might be keeping the Signature name. As you said, customers remember things for a long time. For the same reason they wouldn’t want a Signature store downgraded, they likely still uphold Signature and Flagship stores as being of higher quality and standards.
Yes, that’s the Mid-South in a nutshell. And for so many things, too, not just grocery stores. For example, like I said, we don’t have Whataburger, and you mentioned Jack in the Box, which we also don’t have. But I’m sure there are things we have that y’all don’t, so it’s just one of those things, I guess.
Oh, you're not missing much by not having Jack in the Box, lol. I wonder what you have which we don't. Well, we didn't have Fred's, but I guess neither do you guys now. We don't have Ollie's or Roses. We certainly don't have Graceland, lol.
DeleteDo you think you'd still shop at Kroger if you had more options that you've seen in retail blogs like Publix, Winn-Dixie, Albertsons/Safeway, Wegmans, and so forth? I also wonder what the differences are between a Kroger in an area with stiff competition and those where there isn't as much competition.
I didn't realize Kroger had their own clothing brand. That's strange. I really can't imagine that people would want to wear Kroger brand clothing. With so many clothing stores heading towards bankruptcy, it's strange that Kroger would want to compete in that space. Then again, Kroger gets a lot more foot traffic from grocery shoppers that might be tempted to make an impulse buy on clothing. Still, it doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
My experience is that Kroger Marketplace stores are just too big for regular grocery shopping. I'd prefer to shop at a smaller store where it's easier to get from one end of the store to the other. I know I've heard the same said by other people I know. In fact, Kroger may have to stick to the clothes because what else are they going to do with all that space if they eliminated the clothing?
HEB Plus is HEB's competitor to Kroger Marketplace. We don't have one around here so I've never been to one, but Flickr user
Holcombe of Hidalgo posted some pictures of one earlier this year. Unfortunately, he/she didn't group the photos well so it's hard to share them with one link. I'll just share three photos then:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/16441604@N07/49361784213/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/16441604@N07/49362248171/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/16441604@N07/49362451817/
That looks like a bit of a more serious effort than Kroger Marketplace, but what do you think?
An interesting thing is that Barq's Root Beer usually has caffeine, but Barq's from Freestyle machines are caffeine free. This is because Diet Barq's is caffeine free and the Freestyle machine uses the same syrup for the diet and regular Barq's. The end result is that the regular Barq's tastes rather different from a Freestyle machine than a regular fountain. I don't know if root beer is popular where you live, but one of the founders of Barq's supposedly lived in Mississippi.
LOL! Yeah, it would be hard for me to think of stuff off the top of my head that we have that some other places don’t, mainly because I’m not super familiar with what other places do have. I was surprised at the number of things the Memphis area has that the Jackson area does not, at least. And I’m surprised y’all don’t have Ollie’s. Maybe they’ll head your way soon, they seem to be expanding quite a bit lately.
DeleteHa, I barely shop at Kroger as it is anyway :P During the pandemic, that’s been different, as they’ve been better at keeping everything in stock, but generally speaking most of our shopping is done at Walmart. (That’s kind of an open secret, as I’ve mentioned it before on flickr several times, but you’d be hard-pressed to tell based on the amount of Kroger photos I post!)
That said, of the options you mention, I do like Kroger the best. I’ve been to Publix many times before, as I have relatives in SC. Granted, it’s always been the same location of Publix, but they’ve always struck me as overpriced (and overrated, for that matter). Wegmans seems too fancy for my tastes, too. Winn-Dixie seems too outdated in most locations. Safeway seems nice enough, I suppose. Kroger is probably my favorite grocery store chain for sure, I just prefer Walmart and Sam’s over grocery-only stores. One-stop shopping.
Like you, I’d be curious to see how Kroger is different with vs. without competition. I don’t think they engage in price gouging here, but again I have nothing to compare to in order to say that with certainty. They’re higher than Walmart, but basically everything is, so I don’t take that as an indicator either way. Sales are usually good.
Yeah, it’s strange indeed. I’m curious how it’s working out for them. Like I said, I’ve bought some, so it must not be too bad lol. And you may be onto something about clothing just being used to fill space at this point! My Kroger Marketplace was a little difficult to get used to navigation-wise at first, but as with anything, we’ve grown accustomed to it. It’s really not much larger than some other Krogers around here. Typically even a regular Kroger that has been expanded in recent years is around 100K sf. The Marketplace is only like 20-30K more than that.
I’ll agree that the HEB Plus looks like more of a serious effort. Its clothing selection is larger and more fancifully presented. That reminds me more of what I’ve seen of Fred Meyer than it does Kroger Marketplace. Fred Meyer is a lot more like a true supercenter than is Kroger Marketplace, in my opinion.
That is interesting. I didn’t know that about the Barq’s founder having been from here, either. Neat. As for whether root beer is popular around here, I honestly couldn’t tell you. I have no idea, lol.
I poked around Memphis on Google Maps this evening to see what I could spot that we don't have here. I know you recently posted a picture of a Captain D's to your Flickr stream. Well, we do have Captain D's here in Houston. One is not that far from me in a very old former Church's Chicken location, but there aren't many of them these days. In fact, they may have left and then come back to Houston. There used to be a Captain D's very close to me, but that's been gone for at least 20 years now.
DeleteHere's something which Memphis has and we had, but I'm pretty sure we don't have anymore: Krystal Burger. We had at least one location some years ago, but it's gone now. It seems Krystal is not uncommon in Memphis. I can't really say that I miss Krystal though, lol.
I know that AutoZone is based in Memphis. We have lots of AutoZones. In fact, we have a 24 hour AutoZone in a former Alco discount store of all places. I would think that there would be at least one 24 hour AutoZone in Memphis since they are from there, but I don't know. The whole concept of a 24 hour AutoZone is kind of strange.
We do not have Ollie's yet. At least not yet, but they are starting to approach the area. It is my understanding that they recently opened in College Station which is not too far outside the Houston metro area. I've seen pictures of Ollie's before and they seem interesting. They might fill some gaps left behind now that Big Lots is more of a discount store than a closeouts store. Is Ollie's a decent place to shop?
It's funny because Je and I were talking at his blog and I think he said that he has started shopping at Walmart more during the virus since it's not as busy and they replenish their inventory more quickly than others. Of course, I should not that he's talking about a Walmart Neighborhood Market, one of those grocery-only Walmarts. Walmart has opened a number of those in Houston, but not all have been successful. The one near me, which was an early example, was usually quite dead and so it wasn't a surprise when it closed a few months ago. In fact, we had a whole Walmart Supercenter go out of business 3-4 years ago. That was certainly quite a surprise. That's not to say that Walmart isn't doing well here. If anything, they probably opened too many stores and had to close some to get things back to a normal state.
Walmart has tried some concepts in Houston. One was Más Club, a Sam's type warehouse club oriented towards Hispanic customers. Although similar to Sam's (Más is Sam reversed), it required a different memebership card. Anyway, that has closed. Walmart also tried a Neighborhood Market in Houston called the Supermercado de Walmart, but that closed as well. In fact, Kroger had concept store called Kroger Supermercado in the infamous Gulfton section of Houston, but that's gone as well. Photos of these places do survive though:
Más Club: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/m%C3%A1sclub
Supermercado de Walmart: https://flic.kr/p/2i8dEYD
Kroger Supermercado: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulfton,_Houston#/media/File:KrogerGulfton1.JPG
I've mostly been shopping at Kroger, Randall's, and Food Town during the pandemic. Randall's especially is pretty easy to keep social distance at compared to some others, but it's necessary to visit other stores because they don't have everything in stock.
HEB here is pretty competitive on prices with Walmart. That's a big reason for their success here along with having good quality store brand products. That's the worst store to visit in a pandemic though (Walmart might be worse, I have not been there in months). It can be chaos in an HEB even under the best of circumstances.
I do wonder if your Krogers are more expensive than ours. Kroger has some good sales, but at least here they are pretty annoying because they do a lot of 'Buy 5' type sales where multiples of 5 of sale items have to be purchased.
I haven’t spoiled it on flickr yet, but that Captain D’s I’m posting has actually since closed. There are still a few more in DeSoto County though, two of which are newer locations, in addition to all the ones in Memphis as well. Similar seafood chain LJS may be one that y’all have that we don’t, if Memphis’s lone remaining location is in fact no longer there (not sure on that one). And if y’all have TGI Friday’s, that’s now another one: ours have all permanently closed during the pandemic, I discovered today.
DeleteAh, yes, we have a ton of Krystals around here! I don’t like them either, but they must be popular among other people who do like them to have so many locations locally. And yes, AutoZone is a Memphis-based company with lots of local locations. I bet you’re right about 24-hour stores, but I’d actually never heard of that myself. AutoZone isn’t a store I go to often, haha.
I enjoy Ollie’s. In fact, we went there today and picked up a bunch of stuff. Their book department is really cool, and the rest of the store has all sorts of departments filled with merchandise – health and beauty, some automotive and hardware, rugs, kitchenware, textiles, toys, seasonal, even a small selection of apparel, furniture, and luggage. Oh, and food, too, of course, although more often than not it’s close-dated or already out of date. Do you have Essex Bargain Hunt where you are? It’s not totally the same, but similar. I assume it’s also similar to what Big Lots used to be, but I either wasn’t around or didn’t shop there during their true closeout heyday. Prices are generally good but can be not so great on some items (toothpaste being one example I have in mind). Overall though, lots of great deals and the treasure hunt mentality is always fun.
Interesting! That’s certainly not the case of Walmarts here, haha. Maybe the Neighborhood Market stores are better at that, but the Supercenters have been poor. Then again, I understand it’s harder to source stuff these days too, but it can get to be frustrating regardless. I don’t know of any Neighborhood Markets closing in the Memphis area, but by the same token I don’t think that concept was over-expanded here as it seems to have been in so many other areas.
Thanks for those links! I flipped through those photos last night, both concepts seem very interesting (as did the Kroger one). I see the Más Club has a yellow interior design :)
I’m sure a lot of stores around here have been just as hectic, but thankfully the stores in the town I live in haven’t been bad at all. The worst part is as you say, having to go to different places since it’s impossible to find everything at one store anymore. Kroger sales are the same way over here with the mix-and-match/“buy 5, save $5” stuff.
I'm not surprised to hear that the Captain D's you posted has closed. It kind of looks like it was closed even in the photos. We do have Long John Silver's here in Houston, but they are not plentiful. One is co-located with our only A&W Hamburgers location across I-45 from where Fry's Electronics is. I'm not sure if you've heard of Fry's, but they have unique thematic stores based on what the area is famous for. The Fry's near A&W has an oil industry theme and the Fry's in the southern part of Houston near NASA has a space theme. They're very neat, but it seems that Fry's will probably go out of business soon. Their inventory has been pathetic in recent months. It used to be an awesome electronics store though.
DeleteFry's Greenspoint: https://goo.gl/maps/YPJWs2AsHj39qvk69
Fry's Webster: https://goo.gl/maps/y4hai9gcZHB6aKzLA
A&W in the US has a different owner than A&W in Canada. A&W in Canada is very popular up there. I've been there and they have excellent burgers for a fast food place.
I've never heard of Essex Bargain Hunt so I think it's safe to assume that we don't have them here. I put them in Google Maps and a bunch of locations in and around Tennessee popped up. I randomly clicked on one and landed in Southaven at what appears to be a former Super Kmart with a Bargain Hunt. They have an odd product mix with TVs, food, washing machines, and violins. The Bargain Hunt shares the ex-Kmart with what appears to be a hardware store named Buck's. I've never heard of them either and they are something we don't have.
Bargain Hunt kind of sort of reminds me of Bud's Discount City, a chain of clearance stores Wal-Mart briefly operated in the 1990s in old Wal-Mart locations after they relocated. We had one here. Imagine those very unorganized clearance racks at Wal-Mart and then make an entire store with that lack of organization. That was Bud's. It was the perfect place to buy a pair of socks which only has one sock. It looks like you've already liked this photo, but here is a photo of Bud's anyway: https://flic.kr/p/oZJCX
I never did go to Más Club, but I did see it from the outside. From the photos, it does look different and more colorful than a Sam's. We see the yellows and greens we see at grocery stores we assume to be appealing to Hispanic shoppers. I did go to the Supermercado de Walmart and it was a lot more colorful than the typical Walmart/Neighborhood Market.
Big Lots expanded in Houston via a buyout of a rival chain. Back in the late 1980s, a chain called Pic-N-Save came to Houston. The chain renamed itself MacFrugal's and that's what it was for most of the 1990s. Then, Big Lots bought out the company and converted them to Big Lots. The local store is in a former Greenhouse Kroger that Kroger didn't keep very long. MacFrugal's/Big Lots had the full Greenhouse look until about 2002 or so when a new facade was built in front of the Greenhouse. The Greenhouse is still there though behind the new facade. The shopping center used to have a Kmart in it until 1997 when it relocated. Link: https://goo.gl/maps/eNYWWRZ5v7fpehNX8
I'm not a fan of Kroger's 'Buy 5' sales because you have to have a multiple of 5 items to get the sale. Randall's has a similar promotion, but usually with 4 products. Randall's sales are better though because after you get 4 items, you don't need to have a multiple to still get the sale. I also prefer Randall's digital coupon system to the one used by Kroger and it seems like Kroger has become too reliant on digital coupons that don't always work and cause hang ups at the register.
I’ve heard of Fry’s, as well as their current troubles, but I wasn’t aware that each location was uniquely themed. That’s very cool! Hopefully someone will document those stores before they go out of business, if that indeed is where the company is headed. As for A&W, I’ve never been to one and couldn’t even tell you where my nearest A&W is located.
DeleteYep, that would be my local Bargain Hunt. Lately their selection has been a bit more streamlined/consistent than what you’re seeing in those Google Maps photos; I don’t remember any washing machines, violins, or possibly even TVs being there the last several visits. I have photos of both the former Super K and Buck’s in separate albums on my flickr account. Buck’s moved in only a couple years ago, after Burlington relocated from that space to a new location in Southaven. The company Buck’s is owned by has a larger reach (if I remember correctly), but the Buck’s nameplate only has two locations, both in Mississippi.
Bud’s Discount City doesn’t have much coverage out there, which is a shame. I’d like to know and see more of them. Supposedly there was one as close as Senatobia, MS.
That’s cool to see the greenhouse windows somewhat incorporated into that new Big Lots exterior design! It’s always fun to spot those in the wild. There’s a similarly disguised greenhouse in Memphis (at least, I’m pretty sure it’s a former Kroger) that is now a Stein Mart.
Yeah, I can understand that. Randall’s sale does sound better since you only have to get the four items once, then can do any number above that, not just multiples of four.
Here's some news which could be significant news for the Mid-South fast food scene and will certainly be big news here in Texas. Exactly a month ago on the 8th of June, we discussed Whatburger's modern designs and how maybe they looked better than modern McDonald's.
DeleteWell, news came out today that Whataburger plans to return to Tennessee and to Kansas City. I'm not sure where in Tennessee they plan to expand to, but some rumors elsewhere speculates that it will be Memphis. You may have to keep an eye on that. It seems that this expansion is part of the sale Whataburger went through last year and now Whataburger plans to start franchising new locations for the first time in a while.
These new stores, and also older stores, will have a new look. The photos are in the link I'll include at the end. It's confusing because there are two different designs in the article. The top one seems to be the main design and the one with the A-frame roof is probably their design for retrofitting the new design into 1970s-1990s locations which have A-frame roofs. That's my guess at least.
The only A-frame element in the new stores will be a decoration behind the Whataburger logo. Some people are making a big deal about that, but Whataburger has been de-emphasizing the A-frame look for some years now. Whataburger officials have been quoting as saying that developers don't like the A-frame. The new look does have some industrial similarities to Eyebrow/Shaved Eyebrow McDonald's, newer Burger Kings, and newer Wendy's. There's probably other names which could be added to the list. That's disappointing, but at least the orange and distinctive Whataburger logo makes it recognizable as a Whataburger. It looks like Whataburgers will be getting new interiors as well, but I don't see good renderings of that.
So, yeah, maybe you'll be getting these in the Mid-South. Texans are still smarting from Whataburger's sale to out of state interests and are not pleased with the new designs. They also fear that the food and service quality might suffer under new ownership with an expansion focus. We'll see.
Here's the link: https://www.click2houston.com/features/2020/07/08/whataburger-announces-updated-design-plans-expansion-to-more-states/
Thanks for the heads-up! Trust me, Memphis has definitely run some stories on this news over the past week :P Unfortunately, Whataburger confirmed their plans are for the Nashville area right now, not Memphis. But they didn't rule out an expansion here eventually.
DeleteIn the meantime, Bojangles returns to the Mid-South after 26 years with a grand opening in Horn Lake on Monday, July 13th. So I guess at least one long-gone fast food restaurant has fulfilled wishes to return!